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I see the dawning of World War Three...
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polydad From: polydad Date: September 26th, 2006 02:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
They're going to be *very* hesitant to attack, due to the American military machine. If things go well in November and the Republicans lose control over the house, which has seemed the top probability for a couple of months now, impeachment is virtually certain, and the arrests on ethics charges of about a dozen Republican senators and about three times that many Republican representatives just as certain.

Given Democratic incompetence and corruption, in that order, I doubt that a conviction in the Senate is likely; Dems don't want to create a precedent of putting white-collar politicians in the Federal pen. But I think a nice showy impeachment trial will put the world at ease, and keep shrubya too occupied to do any more invading.

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Joel. Who doesn't *like* the outcome he predicts, or any outcome that doesn't lead to the board of directors of Halliburton with ropes around their necks, but would be willing to settle for it.
keith_m043 From: keith_m043 Date: September 26th, 2006 02:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Given that 67 senators need to vote thumbs down on Shrub, I doubt that conviction is possible unless he does something so stunningly bad that Republican senators feel they have to vote for conviction just to keep their jobs. I personally am against impeachment, partly cuz it perpetuates the cycle of bad feelings, and even if we did manage to fire the president, what would we get?...President Cheney and Vice President Ashcroft (or someone just as nasty), not a good bargain.
browneyedgirl65 From: browneyedgirl65 Date: September 27th, 2006 05:51 am (UTC) (Link)
I am utterly convinced that Cheney is the *only* reason Bush hasn't already been impeached -- no one wants him in charge! ALthough, an impeachment of Bush *might* also take Cheney down...

No, I think the best possible (in terms of actual probability) outcome would be enough Dems elected to put a stop to the actions of the senate and thereby put brakes on Bush and then perhaps nail him in the last six months or so of the term. Do it backwards and convict everyone starting bottom up marching directly toward him.

The last main wrinkle left is the fact that Presidents are allowed to pardon those in their own administrations, which should be ruled illegal as obstructing justice for personal gain but nothing's likely to be done about that for the foreseable future...

Also, saw Clinton's news appearance. It was a lovely thing to behold, but I'm telling you it won't change the minds of people who already hate him. they will not see the truth in his words, they will only see the figure that they hate, have hated for so long, as a hypocrite, and nothing will change that view. Breaking the current neocon/authoritan repub mindset will have to come from someone else than Clinton or perhaps even the demos. It might take a split straight down the Repub party where a good portion of the the goldwater conservatives condemn the rest particularly Bush. Probability of that? Um, let's return to the improvment in the senate balance...

Bah. Politics. Feh. No wonder Earth's running a damn fever.
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